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The Lord did not build the catholic church or protestant church,he did not build it,men built their version and image of Church which is totally against the revelation of the scriptures.We should call we have built to be what God built...we will be justified by our words remember....before you say this is God or this is not God,make your decision based on the word of God because by it will all things and all men be judged.....The truth is always offensive because it is always against the lies we have believed..we shouldn't conclude on anything except on the revelation of the Word...If anyone has said anything in this forum which you have seen to be against the revelation of the word,please can we simply present it rather than emotionally responding to the comments of others....we are here to express our different views,learn and conclude on the ultimate revelation of the word....that is edification.....Lord help us

i believe there is no bigger difference btn the two churches.although we are allowed to pass comments freely dat shld give us the chance to pass somehow inflammatory or provokin comments.i think it shld be discussed in the framework of seein the two denominations as God's church. cos God knew why He built the Catholic before the Protestants came into the scene. all the same i admite there are differences in belief btn the Catholic and the Pentecostal, but we are not in the position to judge which is better than the other. may the Lord bless us all.Amen.

ND,i do not understand your own definition of edification if it is not each one bringing on his own understanding and all polishes it together and come up with what the word says,thats edification.See Ephesians 4:11----,it talks about edification by what each joint supplies.You call it debate,but the Lord calls it edification.We should not be quick to say that something doesn't edify because its not going the way we want it.Everyone has his own opinion,if we do not engage in what you call debate,we will not come up and agree with what the word says.You mentioned criticizing a movement,no one here did that as you suppose,any criticism that is not by the word is wrong,now it is not criticism because it is not directed at the pope himself specifically or to the leaders of these movements,criticism or judgment is directed at the person who has the power to accept correction.You said we should return to the question,the question itself has a tone of criticism(if thats what you mean by criticism) against the catholic church,if someone has come and had said that catholics have their beliefs that are not of God,this discussion wouldn't have gone this far but would have i suppose satisfy what we desired.You wrote "While some of these denominations may have embraced false teachings, I am sure there are very devout and spirit filled catholics as there are evangelicals or Pentecostals.",if you read what i have written ,you will see that i specifically established that fact,my point is and remains that there is no difference between the catholic and the evangelicals or Pentecostals,reason with me brother.You said "The purpose of this forum to edify one another with the word of truth and not to debate on theology, which does not save.",please what is theology.You said it does not save,what does it mean,the study of God,the study of the truth,if it does not save,what saved you or what is changing us daily if not the truth.dictionary says Theology is reasoned discourse concerning religion, spirituality and God.The bible talked about Paul reasoning with those people he was ministering to,the place that euticus fell from the window,Paul was dialoguing with them,check the word and you will see.And if we are here to discuss,then we are actually engaging in theology and that is edification.As individuals we do not know everything,but as we come together and start brining our understanding to discuss on the truth of the word of God,which is what you call debate,we are engaging on theology,that is theology at work.Please we should stop getting agitated when a discussion is prolonged and when it is not as we supposed or desired it,but we should let it flow and not try to quench the flow.Those people involved in the discussions,they are bringing their different understandings of the word,the purpose of the forum will be defeated if we all leave the forum with our different understandings without the one revealed in the word..........That is the reason why patience and long suffering is one of the virtues of Christianity.....God bless

Hi brethren,
I beseech you all by the mercies of God to put an end to those endless bebates which do not edify. I'm getting inpatient at some of our comments and i thing we will need to all exercise restraint when responding to discussions. The purpose of this forum to edify one another with the word of truth and not to debate on theology, which does not save.
I want to encourage each and everyone of us to focus on the questions being asked and not deviate to other irrelevant issues.
A Church, is NOT a building anymore!!!!!!!!. Furthermore, we are not to criticize any particular christian denomination. Brethren, that is not our place. Use your Bible to defend what you believe and don't condemn what you don't know. While some of these denominations may have embraced false teachings, I am sure there are very devout and spirit filled catholics as there are evangelicals or pentecostals.
Therefore, when you get the opportunity to minister to anyone make sure you know what you believe and what their beliefs are. And if their beliefs are not inline with scripture, then as the spirit leads, go ahead and CORRECT them in LOVE using the scriptures. Remember, GOD is not divided, neither is He the author of confusion. We all believe there are doctrinal issues with certain denominations yet we need to be careful in rebuke so as not to frustrate the workings of the spirit because it is He who actually convicts the heart of man and not us.
Can I hear an AMEN?..

Emma,i did not condemn you,i said to you that you can feel God's presence in a house because he is there for the believers who are walking with him are there too.I did not say you cant feel the presence of God.I have experienced that again and again because people that are walking with him are there.But feeling a presence in an empty building will not be the presence of God,it is the people that carry his presence.Thats my point.Catholics believe the Holy Spirit too,there are millions of Catholic charismatics the same way you have true pentecostals,but their systems and practises are totally not of God.So there is no really difference between the two church.If we truly want to see the true church,we should open our bible and search and you will realise that what you will see in your bible,you have not yet seen on earth.

I think the question still remains the same, whether you
believe the church is the people or the building. What are the differences
between the Catholic belief and the Pentecostal belief? I don't know about the
Catholic belief so I can't say much about that, but the Pentecostal belief is
inspired by a personal encounter with the Holy Spirit. We believe the Holy Spirit
teaches us about the deep things of God. He is our Helper our Comforter and Counselor.
It is the Holy Spirit of God who has made it possible for us to have a
relationship with our creator while we still live on this earth. We believe our
Salvation is through Jesus Christ as Lord Himself and has nothing to do with
her mother Mary. Catholics believe salvation came from the virgin Mary.

messenger micah, maybe you have not felt his present in places, don't grab to things if you have not experience them, we are all here to learn. Why not believe your brother than condemning him

God bless

yes my brother,we are saying the same thing but you have a slant that goes out of context,what you are saying about what Jesus did at the temple is in context with what he said following that,they are together,so you should not use what he did out of context with what he said.God does not live in a building,if there is a presence of God in a place,it is because there are some people there that walking with God and they came in there with him but if you walk into an empty place and say you felt the presence of God,it is not the presence of my God but another presence (Satan deceives too).He does not dwell in a house built by man but in the spirit of man.

messenger micah, I was not talking about what you said about the 3 day of the temple which represent the body of Jesus, I fully agree with that. I was referring to the passage I quoted which has a different context and has nothing to do with what you are referring to. Let me tell you, if you have never felt the present of the Lord when you enter into a building or in certain places, then I think you are really missing a special thing. I am not referring to any denomination conviction when saying this things but messenger micah when I pass through some certain places I always feel the present of the Lord and this places may not be a church but a street. Maybe we are trying to say the same things but with different words, I pray God will reveal His understanding to us. Amen

God bless

My brother,if you read the bible very well,you will know that a building does not have anything to do with the Church.After he was angry,they asked him who gave him authority,and he said,"...destroy this temple and i will rebuild it in 3 days" and they were angry and said that the temple took 40yrs or so to build and you will build it in 3 days?,and the bible went on to say that the temple he was talking about was his body.Now the temple he got angry at was the old testament temple of Judaism which was only a prophecy of the body of Christ.Is that too hard to accept my brother,its a plain statement Jesus made himself,it is funny you said i am putting something into the word of God,God forbid that i do such a thing,what will i gain from that,you are the one that quoted the scripture to me (i do not quote scriptures here so that he that truly wants to know will go and search for themselves and then bring up a discussion) and i went further to show you a part of the scripture you didn't quote which explains what i was trying to pass across to you.If you read your bible very well you will also see it written that God does not live in a building made by human hands,so his church is the people he is building,you read Paul say to the Corinthian church that they are the temple of the Holy Spirit,not a house built by man,a house built by man is useless if Christ is allowed to build his church as he said.My brethren,please remove your denominational cap,throw it away,i mean cast it away and put on the word cap and let us reason from the word and learn from the word.If we do not let the word judge(correct ) us today,it is this same word that will judge us when we stand alone before the judgment seat of Christ-the living word on the last day.In the example you gave,you took scriptures out of context to prove your point but it is wrong,you do not dare do that with the word of God my brother,please that is a scary thing to do with the word,please never do that,it does not help your life,present the word of God in context and it will be easy to believe.If only we will be on a topic,search through the scriptures till we come to a conclusion and agree on the scripture,i believe we will be learning from each other than saying we should stop,then what is the essence,are we afraid of the truth?The question our sister asked is what led the discussion to the stage where it is right now,why do we want to give up instead of accepting the truth.Do we hate the truth?Do we truly believe that the bible is the inspired word of God,the sure word of prophecy? Why is it hard for us to accept the plain truth,is it because it hits across what we believe then we try to make it say what we want.Please let us never try to give up on a discussion because it is going against our popular belief,let us stick to the scripture,it is plain.Our Heavenly Father,give us the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of you,Amen.